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    Top Toys expert advice needed on potential prototypes

    Hey all,

    I took a huge risk with this auction and hoping for some feedback, I figured they might be from Pablo Artesi and they are. Any help would be greatly appreciated! He had an auction for a Top Toys Half torso mold about a year ago, there was a thread about it and it seemed to be legitimate, I'll try to find the link, so that gave me a little hope.

    RARE Star Wars Vintage Chief Chirpa Logray Vader Top Toys Prototype Parts | eBay

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    After seeing these in person it seems like they're just stripped and glued together production pieces, logray with chief chirpa arms. I know it's hard to know without provenance, especially with TT. I'm pretty sure the Vader and R2 are just production pieces. But any input would be appreciated. Thanks
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    I think I recall the auction you're talking about from last year. Was it a silicone mold of Boba Fett's backside?
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    Yep. That's the one. That and some stormies. The link I found showed the mold but not the figures. This was probably a really bad choice I'm thinking now :/. Not too late to file a dispute though. The Vader just looks like a production piece that was pulled apart and glued back together. I have no idea what the R2 is, I know TT had him on the card back but never produced one. The Logray is glued together as well with loose Chirpa arms. The purple in the mold kind of throws me off. They're definitely TT though.
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    Found the auction link. Seems all the pics are gone now.

    LOT PROTOTYPE STAR WARS TOP TOYS STORMTROOPERS AND HALF FACTORY MOLD USED | eBay
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    Quote Originally Posted by rupert View Post
    Found the auction link. Seems all the pics are gone now.

    LOT PROTOTYPE STAR WARS TOP TOYS STORMTROOPERS AND HALF FACTORY MOLD USED | eBay
    I followed that auction very closely, and I was high bidder for a little while, but when it went over $1000, I decided not to take the risk. I'm kind of kicking myself about it now, though because the more research I did, the more legit the mold looked. This is the only photo that I saved from that auction (sorry, it's an iPhone screen cap). I wasn't even paying attention to the Stormtroopers in the auction, as the mold was what really caught my eye.



    I thought it was odd that the seller didn't know know which character the mold belonged to. If he had researched it, and changed the title of the auction to "Top Toys Prototype Unproduced Boba Fett Silicone Mold" it would have received a lot more attention and a lot more money.

    The purple on Logray's back looks like some old writing (possibly with a black sharpie, or other permanent marker). I've seen a lot of prototypes where pen markings on them "bled through" the plastic. In fact, I have some protos from the 2008 Hasbro Indiana Jones line with pen markings on them, and they are starting to bleed and look just like this. And those protos are only 6 years old. After 30 years, I think it's possible to look like your Logray. It's hard to tell on those other pieces, though.

    But alas, I am not an expert, Just a collector making an observation.
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    Great point! I don't know why I didn't think about that, I've seen plenty of prototypes with faded/ink bleeds although probably not to this degree, but TT did use a different plastic for their figures. My initial thought was a possible bad mixture of plastic during the injection process, something along those lines but the marker bleed makes more sense ( now I'm going to drive myself insane trying to figure out what was written! ) Thanks for the input, really appreciate it.

    That mold really does look legitimate, I don't blame you for being cautious though. I'm really surprised that Pablo doesn't know these pieces better, aside from his scams, he's unearthed some pretty incredible TT pieces, I thought he was the one that originally sold the other molds, Yoda, Vader etc, I might be wrong on that though. Hopefully somebody else that knows more about this era can chime in.

    So the fact that there are unproduced items from TT surfacing gives me hope about this R2 as well, I've tried to message Pablo and ask him more about these but he's pretty reluctant to help, the only thing he said is that he purchased these from a friend whose father used to work at the TT factory.

    Really appreciate the input! Thank you. I think I'm going to change the title of this thread, maybe some more people will be able to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupert View Post
    ...I figured they might be from Pablo Artesi and they are...
    So how do you know? Was his name in the Paypal receipt or on the shipping label perhaps? Good to hear he crawled back from the underworld to the land of the living.

    I'm really surprised that Pablo doesn't know these pieces better, aside from his scams, he's unearthed some pretty incredible TT pieces, I thought he was the one that originally sold the other molds, Yoda, Vader etc, I might be wrong on that though. Hopefully somebody else that knows more about this era can chime in.
    Pablo knows his stuff better than anyone else, trust me. Don't be fooled by his ignorance. That's his game. Too much attention wouldn't be good for him, he's aiming for the specialists who think they have scored a bargain. Sure he sold some good items, sometimes in a mix, genuine items with faked stuff or starting with the good stuff and crap items to follow up.
    I wouldn't touch anything from Pablo with a stick unless it's Pablo himself. Still makes me mad all the $$ he ripped from me and my friends but most of all making advantage of the trust and friendship we all thought we had with him...

    So to summarize, be very careful/reluctant when buying Top Toys proto's, stay far away from Billiken, PPL (Hombre Espacial) and Model Trem* bootlegs coming from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    Ps that R2 dome, isn't it just a Glasslite piece?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rupert View Post

    That mold really does look legitimate,
    It is. The owner matched it up with the other half and it was a perfect mate. The other half hit the market around 10 years ago. There's no way he faked a perfect mate down to keys, logos, and everything else lining up perfectly and the other half has been locked in a collection for a very long time.

    FWIW The owner didn't even care about the other pieces. I'm sure they were production parts. I'd bet money these are too. The R2 dome even looks painted. Id say it's ither that or a paint stripped Glasslite dome as Martijn said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartijnEmmelot View Post
    So how do you know? Was his name in the Paypal receipt or on the shipping label perhaps? Good to hear he crawled back from the underworld to the land of the living.
    Thanks for chiming in here Martijn! His name/address was on the return shipping for the package



    Quote Originally Posted by MartijnEmmelot View Post
    Pablo knows his stuff better than anyone else, trust me. Don't be fooled by his ignorance. That's his game. Too much attention wouldn't be good for him, he's aiming for the specialists who think they have scored a bargain. Sure he sold some good items, sometimes in a mix, genuine items with faked stuff or starting with the good stuff and crap items to follow up.
    I wouldn't touch anything from Pablo with a stick unless it's Pablo himself. Still makes me mad all the $$ he ripped from me and my friends but most of all making advantage of the trust and friendship we all thought we had with him...

    So to summarize, be very careful/reluctant when buying Top Toys proto's, stay far away from Billiken, PPL (Hombre Espacial) and Model Trem* bootlegs coming from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    *Klaatu, Bib, Ree-Yees, Leia Hoth, At-At Commander, Emperor, Gammorean Guard, Biker Scout, Luke XW and IG-88

    ~Martijn

    Ps that R2 dome, isn't it just a Glasslite piece?
    Thanks for the insight, really unfortunate situation :/ I've read a few threads regarding him throughout the years and knew some of his past scams etc. As for the R2 dome I really don't know, it's definitely painted, theres some evidence of some blue prior to the silver and the Vader looks like it was a hobby room project gone bad, glueing, some type of bondo filling, sanding etc.

    The one piece I was really hoping would be legitimate is the Logray, any thoughts on that piece?
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