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Thread: The General Mills 45 back & Palitoy "non factory sealed" debate

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    The General Mills 45 back & Palitoy "non factory sealed" debate

    I think it's time to post this link for more fellow collectors who haven't noticed this hot topic over at SWFUK or other European forums.

    There's currently a massive debate, if a big amount of German General Mills 45 backs and Palitoy MOCs are being not factory sealed but sealed afterwards by a third party and sold as vintage ones.

    It's already a massive thread, but worth a read, to get an idea of the discussion and the effect to the community.

    Star Wars Forum - Vintage Star Wars Collecting Forum - StarWarsForum.co.uk • View topic - Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.
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    So Toni bought the cards,bubbles and figures as a job lot then found a way to heat seal them and fooled AFA etc that they were legit and made a fortune???
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    This is a fascinating read. I hope the mods will let this link stay because this is of critical importance to vintage SW collectors (some 25,000 carded Palityoy figures may be affected) and the major players seem to be participating in that thread. If you collect Palitoy or even have any Palitoy, you should read this thread immediately!!
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    Lafos, a couple others pointed me to this thread when last night I posted a request for value opinions on a Leia Bespin Gown German General Mills 45 Back I just sent to AFA and received an 85 overall. Here is the thread: Value Check - ESB 45 Back Leia Bespin Gown on General Mills German Card AFA 85

    I am through page 38 of 50 on the SWFUK thread, and I agree that this is a FASCINATING and very important read for all of us here, as it may or may not have a profound impact on folks' collections and many items that are listed for sale on the Classified section of this very forum right now. The allegations relate to German ESB figures, but also Palitoy ROTJ figures, most notably Boba Fett. EVERYONE MUST READ THE SWFUK THREAD!

    With that said, for selfish reasons (I just bought one recently), I hope it is not true. Not sure we will ever know though....

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    Holy smokes. Just finished reading the whole thread. Didn't do a lick of work at my job this morning.....

    I am just blown away. I didn't buy anything from Toni directly, but have a couple pieces that fit within the category of items that are under question that were purchased out of Europe. Needless to say, there is a lot of confusion out there from the folks in Europe that are active on that board and in that particular thread, and interestingly the accused party has gone silent. That can mean a lot of things that range from innocent to smoking gun level.

    The implications for the SW collecting world can be enormous if this is true.
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    Think this one will run for a while unfortunately.



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    Wow, I started the read last night, and finished it this morning. Shocking, disturbing, and I really hope it is not true. If you have all of the actual genuine material, and a way to seal the actual material to look legit, detection would be near impossible... scary indeed!
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    Link to Toni's site : TOYTONI.COM

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    It's important to wait and see what the details of the evidence shows before anybody reacts. The questionable carded figures need to be compared to known carded figures which are unequivocally authentic. Once the facts are known appropriate action can be taken if warranted. This may be another great fraud like the McWilliams scandal or this may be unfounded rumor. Only the evidence will show the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yehuda_K View Post
    It's important to wait and see what the details of the evidence shows before anybody reacts. The questionable carded figures need to be compared to known carded figures which are unequivocally authentic. Once the facts are known appropriate action can be taken if warranted. This may be another great fraud like the McWilliams scandal or this may be unfounded rumor. Only the evidence will show the truth.
    The scary thing is that a comparison to known authentic figures may not show any differences. If, as is suggested by the thread, this guy took these to a factory to have the figures and bubbles put on, it's conceivable that there will not be any way to distinguish. The claim is that authentic unused cardbacks, authentic unused bubbles and authentic mint figures were taken to a factory and assembled, perhaps using the same equipment the manufacturer would have used. They would be identical in all respects to a legit carded figure, except that they were assembled years later by someone other than the manufacturer. That is why many of these have or have likely made it past AFA. There's just no way to "date" when the bubble was attached to the card.

    There are even some on the thread suggesting that authentic card + authentic bubble + authentic figure = authentic collectible, regardless of when it was assembled. In other words, they don't seem to care, which blows my mind. Perhpas these are the people who have the most invested in these Gen Mills/Palitoy figures.
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