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    The Clone Wars dilemma

    Hello there

    Listening to the recent FC episode where D.Filoni answered questions about season 4 (and some about season 5) got me thinking about TCW show.

    I like it
    First off, I do like this show.
    Many episodes (or arcs) definitively have that unmistakable SW feel.
    A few ones feel out of place though, but that is all for the best I think.
    Exploring areas never visited by the movies can only add texture and depth to the universe being depicted in TCW.

    It's not the same thing
    The 20 minutes format, so far from the movie approach, obviously cannot play on the same rhythm.
    An episode arc must be introduced, developed and reach a conclusion so quickly, that pauses are barely allowed, and messages and characters must be as clear as possible.
    On the other hand, 22 episodes for each TCW season is a wonderful opportunity to slowly reveal the underlying story, Sidious' subterranean plot, its machinations and evil connections.
    This is where this show shines IMO.
    As in a fast paced music, where the rhythm's throbbing grips us and doesn't let go, connects with our gut, the simultaneously slow baseline manages to flesh out the drums dryness and speaks to our mind.

    It is for a young audience
    More often than not, I find some of TCW's villains actions not in sync with what they represent.
    Mind you, there are indeed horrific actions (shooting, injuries, murders), but I rarely find the villains to be truly fearsome.
    It is not a critic, and being a show targeted at young audience, there could not be another way to portray the sad and gritty part of this war.
    I think they do a good job actually, allowing enough "breathing space" to characters with questionable ethics such as pirates and bounty hunters so that they can be believed as evil characters by a young audience.
    Being myself an adult, I sense I'd be prepared for deeper conflicts, tearing decisions, and disastrous conclusions ...

    Is an adult version of TCW possible?
    As D.Filoni elaborated on how the creative staff constantly explored the characters motivations, even if they were not to be shown in TCW, I wondered if another way of exploring these unshown areas could exist.
    I know the obvious answer to this question is "EU", but I was more thinking of something with the same canonical status as TCW.
    What if the darker and disturbing areas were unveiled?
    I'm not sure this would still be the SW we see in the movies, since the action there is depicted with a "tale" filter on it.
    In the movies, emotions are pure, heroes are icons, the music is grand, always reminding us that we are witnessing something of operatic nature, a story told to us, to impress us, deliver a greater message.
    But what I'm hoping for is something with little or atonal music, intensity in silence, intimate despair and joy, utter horror and wonder.
    It is a crude and dark view, indeed, not the refined product we are used to.
    But I feel it would make a different and gripping SW experience.
    And it would not be for younglings ...
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    Man, I love this show! Because it elicits such fantastic discussion like Satka's. As usual, I agree with your points Satka. I would like to see something more adult along those lines. But then again, I still eat up everything that has anything to do with The Wars.

    I really don't want something too dark though. I feel like a lot of my pop culture franchises (for lack of a better term) are getting a little too real and dark. The two that come to the top of my mind are Batman and James Bond. Are the most recent versions entertaining? I think so. Are they realistic? Sure (as much as a dude in a bat costume could be I suppose) But why did I start liking them in the first place? I don't really know, but I think it was character development and a sense of morals? (Plus, Bond always seemed confident and could still crack a joke or a smile)

    Anyway, I hope any new SW project remains true to a hero's journey kind of idea. Or at least some sort of classic tale.
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    I agree with you Shua, would SW still be SW if we left the "tale" territory?
    I'm not sure, I think it wouldn't.

    But I'd really like to see a canon story (movie or live action tv show) shown in a similar tone as "Blade Runner"
    Imagine a Coruscant-based story, with no Jedi nor Clones, but only droids, aliens, Humans. The setting could transport us to the seedy part of the planet-city, and we would witness the true effects of Palpatine's subtle propaganda, the effects of galactic politics on the average citizen.
    Maybe we could see as bystanders some officials flying by to the opera, or some iconic movie moments

    And I know the comics and EU did cover parts of this, but I'd enjoy an canon view on this!

    Look at me geeking out :p
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    I really don't get the constant clambering for a more "adult" Star Wars. Star Wars is at its best when it can appeal to all ages IMHO and the Clone Wars for the most part is hitting that sweet spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth_Engelhast View Post
    I really don't get the constant clambering for a more "adult" Star Wars. Star Wars is at its best when it can appeal to all ages IMHO and the Clone Wars for the most part is hitting that sweet spot.
    I get your point, Darth_Engelhast

    I was reluctant to propose this idea (hence the "dilemma" title), since I too believe that Star Wars alchemy ... is a perfect combination already.
    Its success and appeal to such a broad audience is a living proof of it: nothing needs changing to make SW "more SW" than it already is.
    And I love SW

    That being said, I was wondering if this universe we all know could be explored with a different ... well, point of view.
    A bit like asking for a realistic version of Cinderella ...
    It is a perilous exercise, which result have a good chance to be disastrous, and that is why I was thinking of an official version. Imagined by the people who do know SW's past (and future).
    And the things I'd be interested in are not close-ups of the movie heroes, who as icons are not made for "scrutinization", but to the fine details of everyday's life and concerns in the GFFA.

    So in a nutshell, it's really not that I'm dissatisfied with SW that is already perfect as a whole, but rather that I'm wondering if some non-heroic parts of it could be zoomed in to a realistic level of detail

    I realize I might be asking to fit a square into a circle ...
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    It sounds like what you're wishing for is exactly what we know about the 'Star Wars: Underworld' live action series... If that ever comes to fruition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Chosen_1 View Post
    It sounds like what you're wishing for is exactly what we know about the 'Star Wars: Underworld' live action series... If that ever comes to fruition.
    Oh neat!

    I have to admit I had lost track of what was rumor and what was true about the live action series ...
    Let's hope Lucasfilm can out this project back on track then, I'd be thrilled to see what they can do!
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