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  1. #751
    Quote Originally Posted by RogueKnite View Post
    Most likely fake, but fun plot speculation.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/star-wars-v...details-731294
    it jives with previous plot rumors about the "force tree", and the 2 original force users: one "good" (decidedly feminist .. erm.. I mean decidedly FEMALE) and one "evil" (decidedly MALE).

    the "evil male" kills the "good female"; this causes an imbalance in the force; and she gets resurrected... over and over.. while he still lives -- to "balance" his presence in the universe.

    (and it seems this guy can "switch bodies".. so he never really dies.. which explains why this has been going on for so long -- he's been alive 'continuously', and she's been alive 'repeatedly', for thousands of years -- he keeps himself alive by using the force in ways that are 'unnatural' [palpatine's words]; and the Force brings her back to life, over and over, to stop him from doing this).




    ^^ it sounds like he gathered past plot rumors which were already out there , and just connected a few dots.

    I agree: most likely fake. but fun plot speculation.





    ^^ if this were true , then both of these immortal beings -- (the good "original force user" and the evil "original force user") -- they were both "incarnated" at the same time, in the bodies of Palpatine and Vader..

    ..so why wasn't there harmony in the universe, during this time? they were working together.

    this doesn't make much sense. unless we buy into the notion , that Rey's Ghost turned temporarily evil, BECAUSE it was born into the body of an "Evil" MALE (aka: anakin).
    Last edited by Cobalt60; 06-21-2017 at 01:11 PM.
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  2. #752
    that sound too similar to what happens with Hawkman and Hawkgirl! lol
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  3. #753
    Quote Originally Posted by Cobalt60 View Post
    it jives with previous plot rumors about the "force tree", and the 2 original force users: one "good" (decidedly feminist .. erm.. I mean decidedly FEMALE) and one "evil" (decidedly MALE).

    the "evil male" kills the "good female"; this causes an imbalance in the force; and she gets resurrected... over and over.. while he still lives -- to "balance" his presence in the universe.

    (and it seems this guy can "switch bodies".. so he never really dies.. which explains why this has been going on for so long -- he's been alive 'continuously', and she's been alive 'repeatedly', for thousands of years -- he keeps himself alive by using the force in ways that are 'unnatural' [palpatine's words]; and the Force brings her back to life, over and over, to stop him from doing this).




    ^^ it sounds like he gathered past plot rumors which were already out there , and just connected a few dots.

    I agree: most likely fake. but fun plot speculation.





    ^^ if this were true , then both of these immortal beings -- (the good "original force user" and the evil "original force user") -- they were both "incarnated" at the same time, in the bodies of Palpatine and Vader..

    ..so why wasn't there harmony in the universe, during this time? they were working together.

    this doesn't make much sense. unless we buy into the notion , that Rey's Ghost turned temporarily evil, BECAUSE it was born into the body of an "Evil" MALE (aka: anakin).
    everytime I read some "leaked plot" like this and the 100 others out there I get nauseous hoping the absurd "plot" too TLJ isn't what I'm reading. These supposed plots make the old EU look like freaking literary masterpieces.
    Last edited by TKMaster; 06-25-2017 at 12:22 PM.

  4. #754
    These are plots that are best kept to supporting series like TCW or maybe in even Rebels, not the movies. Not everyone who watches the trilogies are going to watch the series, so all these 'fanboy' plots are going to take more screen time to explain which IMO are, first, going to drag the pace of the film down and, second, hit the most casual SW viewer like a ton of bricks (unless he/she is a fan of the Insidious movies or something). Most 'leak plot' authors tend to only focus on a specific range of audience because they think they are the only ones who will really understand it and also think they will get the most enhanced experience out of it. Star Wars is a shared experience that doesn't have to go out of its way in terms of plot points to satisfy a specific range of people.
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  5. #755
    somebody told me a synopsis of the aftermath books. apparently, Palpatine was hearing a voice in his head. other Sith heard it too.
    the voice was telling him to go to an unexplored region of the galaxy beyond the outer rim. but he was too busy building death stars and getting himself killed.
    so: when he died, the imperial fleet was instructed to go beyond the outer rim, and find the source of the voice in his head. without him.



    it's clear to me now who snoke is. and what he wants.



    snoke is the first 'dark side' force user: the "evil male" from the plot summary above. Rey is the "good female", who is reincarnated over and over to stop him. in a previous life, she created the jedi order.. and many thousands of years ago, her Jedi Order managed to defeat this being. but he is immortal, so they couldn't kill him. instead, they imprisoned him. and he has called out to Evil Force Users over the years, to come and rescue him.

    what does he want? a new body. his old body is broken. obviously. (this is the ONLY thing we know about snoke; therefore it is a plot point) --- he has called out to Evil Force Users over the years, and he has tried to lure one of them to come to his location, to release him from his prison and BE his new host body. Palpatine heard the call. but Palpatine only sent his fleet; he didn't come in person --> so NOW: snoke has been released from his prison, but now snoke needs a new body, of a PURELY evil force-user, to be his new host.

    so.. what does he want? he wants Ben Solo, aka: Kylo Ren, to be his new host body --> Ben Solo is snoke's "dark-side" Chosen One, (as per: "snoke is using you") -- Ben has been "chosen" (by snoke), to embody the "spirit" of the original dark side force user -- as it transfers its consciousness, from one host to another. but Ben is not evil enough (as per:"there's still light in him"). so snoke can't use him for this purpose. yet.

    this is how the Original Dark Sider has kept himself alive all these centuries: he transfers himself into new bodies; meanwhile the Original Light Sider gets "reincarnated" over and over, to oppose him, and maintain Balance.
    ((as I said (above): he has been alive 'continuously', and she has been alive 'repeatedly', for thousands of years)).

    ^^ Luke knows all this. when snoke first came on the scene and corrupted Ben Solo, Luke recognized this was an Ancient Evil -- and he has no idea how to defeat it. he went in search of the Original Jedi Temple, so he could find out exactly how the Original JEdi Order managed to imprison this thing, a thousand years ago. and what he learned: it requires a "light-side" Chosen One: the being "chosen" by the Force, to be the reincarnation of the original Light Side User. this is the ONLY way to imprison snoke, all over again.

    so he sat there, and he waited. for Rey. for the original Light Side User (aka: Chosen One) to reveal herself in the flesh. and when it is finally revealed to him, that the child he left on jakku IS the reincarnation of the original light side force user .. he is gob-smacked.



    Now Ben has 'passed the test' and killed his father Han, this means Ben is finally Evil Enough, that Snoke can finally train him to become snoke's replacement host. snoke is vulnerable at this moment, because he is trapped in a broken body.. but if he transfers his consciousness into Kylo, then there will be no stopping him --> Rey convinces Luke, that the time to act is NOW.

    - one of them will advocate killing Kylo, to prevent him from becoming a Host Body to the Ultimate Evil (probably Rey);
    - the other will advocate turning Kylo back to the light side, as per: ROTJ Vader Redemption Motif (probably Luke).

    in the end: the spirit of Snoke WILL enter Kylo's body -- Rey & "Snoke-in-Kylo's-body" will fight a passionate lightsaber duel, as she fights for Ben's Very Soul -- and it will 'seem like' all hope is lost, now that Snoke has succeeded in his goal, and found a new host, and taken FULL control of Kylo's body...

    ...but Kylo is not FULLY evil -- "there is still light in him"[Carrie Fisher] --> Rey WILL turn Kylo back to the light side.. but only AFTER snoke has ALREADY used Kylo as his New Host.. only AFTER snoke's own broken body is dead.
    (ie: once Snoke has "won", and accomplished his Goal of using Kylo Ren as his New Host .. once it seems like "all is lost", at the moment when 'snoke-in-Kylo's-body' is about to land the killing blow on a helpless Rey .. then Kylo will 'mentally' defeat the 'spirit of snoke', from within his own head: that small bit of 'light' inside of him, will take control, and REFUSE to kill Rey -- thus destroying the 'spirit of snoke', FOR GOOD).

    this will break the cycle of 'dark vs light' , and Rey's Spirit will no longer be reincarnated EITHER, over and over again, to oppose an immortal snoke.
    (ie: once the spirit of the "Original Dark Side User" is finally dead , then the spirit of the "Original Light Side User" will no longer be reincarnated over & over, by the force: this will break the cycle of Dark vs Light, and unify The Force into a SINGLE entity (no more "dark side" vs. "light side" -- only just "the force" from now on); the human bodies of Rey and Ben will be 'Free' to live their lives (to fall in love?); and everyone lives happily ever after).








    I called it
    Last edited by Cobalt60; 06-27-2017 at 05:06 PM.
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  6. #756
    The OT was never that complicated^^^

  7. #757
    Some Dark Empire elements there.
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