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jediknight49
06-17-2007, 04:29 PM
I have just read this on the following site www.gentlegiantcollectors.com (http://www.gentlegiantcollectors.com) regarding sale of the limited art prints being made available by the Star Wars artists.

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However, here's the shoe dropping (and this affects ALL artwork at CE): LFL has informed the artists that they just change the prices of their C4 print charges from US dollars to UK pounds. Note that I said "change" and not "convert". This means that the AH! print at CE will likely be 75 pounds (which is basically $150 USD). I had this confirmed by Dave Dorman as well, who said his CE print will be 100 Pounds at LFL's request.

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Hope the SW Shop has plenty of room, because i feel that they will need it for all the unsold prints. I feel sorry for the artists, i love their work, and they are governed by "the maker" but this info is a kick in the you know what for us Euro collectors.

Well done LFL http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

SirTristram
06-17-2007, 04:39 PM
Well, that does indeed stink...as I was all set to purchase Dave's and Adam's prints! ...as well as JAKe's and some others....*sigh*...Well, I am glad I booked three West End shows for my brief stay...as least I can feel that I left with something! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Abstractharmony
06-17-2007, 04:48 PM
It is crap but I still want that Adam Hughes Print.

I hope he takes orders in advance.

BradP
06-17-2007, 06:29 PM
well I am glad I got my Trevas print from a friend.....

wonder what the prices for the figs will be?? I hope not 20 pounds each that is 40 bucks....

jediknight49
06-18-2007, 07:09 AM
Well, according to various replys to my post in other forums, the artists claim they are in complete control of the price, not LFL.
Yes the prints will be dearer than a straight $ to conversion, BUT they will not be 40 for a $40 print. It will more likely be a figure in between.

If this is the case, then i may be able to buy a print or two, but only the low end priced prints.

Glad i got my Russ Walks, Joe Corroney & Jeff Carlisle prints from a contact in LA. At least i will have something to show off on my wall http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

mattman81
06-18-2007, 07:29 AM
I'll see what prices are like at the show, but if they are too expensive, especially three figure sums, I wont buy them which would be a shame but I wont stand for being ripped-off.

Wuher
06-18-2007, 02:23 PM
Russ is doing a different print for CE

That what he emailed me a few weeks before C4

Mark

jediknight49
06-19-2007, 07:57 AM
Russ said to me also that he was hoping to do another print for CE, but on his site, he showed the same print for both shows (before LFL asked him to remove the images).

I'll be after his print first, then the others will fall in line

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Wuher
06-19-2007, 08:57 AM
I'll be in the line too

MARK

jberb55
06-22-2007, 09:13 AM
I feel for you Euro collectors if pricing does indeed reach rumored heights. The art section was THE highlight of my C4 trip.

artuk
06-22-2007, 03:22 PM
Just wanted to announce that The Animation Art Gallery is one of the proud sponsors of the Artist Alley at Celebration Europe.

There has been alot of speculation regarding pricing of art for the event. At this time no final prices for the artists work have been set. We are not expecting them to be a straight conversion but somewhere in between.

Pricing is something we are taking very seriously especially on our own exclusives.

Alex
Special Event Relations
The Animation Art Gallery

mattman81
06-22-2007, 04:31 PM
Thanks for clearing that up artuk, it's nice to kick-out the rumours once and for all and for people not to rely on what their neighbour's best friend's sister's dog has said.

May I ask if you're the ones that have been bringing in these LFL licensed artists for CE?? If so you've done a stella job because the artist guest list is amazing. Thanks very much http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

And there will be a small fanart exhibition in the fanclub lounge area if you'd like to pop along and see what us amateurs have been up to. Would be good to have a chat http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

SirTristram
06-22-2007, 04:35 PM
I feel it is still going to be more on the whole than at CIV....I just read that Forbidden Planet, for example will be selling one of the exclusive maquettes for 60 pounds....the exact same piece was sold at CIV for $80.
....with the conversion, this piece will cost around $115 to $120.
I don't hold out much hope that it will be any different for the Artists.

Oh, well....

DarthSnuggle
06-23-2007, 10:15 AM
hey all... Lucasfilm merely suggested we make our US price our UK price, switching a dollar sign for the pounds symbol. It wasn't a command. As for the cost of Adam's print; we aren't sure yet how much its going to cost us to ship them over, and that will influence our pricing. PLEASE bear in mind; our printing is more expensive. Less artists are going to CE, so less artists went in on our "gang printing" so its costing each of us about twice as much as the first run. Our airfare? It's about 4 or 5 times MORE expensive for us to travel to London vs travelling to LA. The hotels are robbing us blind ( and I thought LA was bad). The tables are very expensive, AND I have to ship about 80 pounds of printed paper overseas via FedEx. We can't hope to charge the equivolent of what we were charging at Celebrations 4, because our costs are VASTLY different.

I'm not sure if its the Euro collectors beng kicked in the teeth here, or the artists. Trust me; my bills on this trip are HUGE, and we've little hope of breaking even. But we wanted to come, and be a part of the first European Star Wars Celebrations EVER. And we'll try and keep the prints as affordable as we can.

~Allison

SirTristram
06-23-2007, 03:42 PM
Well, I am an American, traveling over there and paying my own way and on top of that also attempting to purchase pieces with the outrageous currency exchange...I think people in my situation are in the worst position! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DarthSnuggle
06-23-2007, 04:38 PM
Well, I am an American, traveling over there and paying my own way and on top of that also attempting to purchase pieces with the outrageous currency exchange...I think people in my situation are in the worst position! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



okay... I'll give you that one. But i think you can apply to get the VAT refunded... I might be incorrect though. I can't recall where I heard that.

SirTristram
06-23-2007, 06:44 PM
Well, I am an American, traveling over there and paying my own way and on top of that also attempting to purchase pieces with the outrageous currency exchange...I think people in my situation are in the worst position! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



okay... I'll give you that one. But i think you can apply to get the VAT refunded... I might be incorrect though. I can't recall where I heard that.



LOL!

Yeah, the VAT can be refunded, but it is such a HASSLE! I hate it...I did it one time and received only about 12 pounds back.
After sitting in the basement of Harrods for 30 minutes waiting for it, it just didn't seem worth it anymore...
I don't know...The world is just expensive...

DarthSnuggle
06-23-2007, 07:02 PM
Well, I am an American, traveling over there and paying my own way and on top of that also attempting to purchase pieces with the outrageous currency exchange...I think people in my situation are in the worst position! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



okay... I'll give you that one. But i think you can apply to get the VAT refunded... I might be incorrect though. I can't recall where I heard that.



LOL!

Yeah, the VAT can be refunded, but it is such a HASSLE! I hate it...I did it one time and received only about 12 pounds back.
After sitting in the basement of Harrods for 30 minutes waiting for it, it just didn't seem worth it anymore...
I don't know...The world is just expensive...



AMEN! fortunately, alot of this is tax deductable for us; the cost of doing business. Otherwise, we'd be pretty broke by now....

artuk
06-23-2007, 08:20 PM
hey all... Lucasfilm merely suggested we make our US price our UK price, switching a dollar sign for the pounds symbol. It wasn't a command. As for the cost of Adam's print; we aren't sure yet how much its going to cost us to ship them over, and that will influence our pricing. PLEASE bear in mind; our printing is more expensive. Less artists are going to CE, so less artists went in on our "gang printing" so its costing each of us about twice as much as the first run. Our airfare? It's about 4 or 5 times MORE expensive for us to travel to London vs travelling to LA. The hotels are robbing us blind ( and I thought LA was bad). The tables are very expensive, AND I have to ship about 80 pounds of printed paper overseas via FedEx. We can't hope to charge the equivolent of what we were charging at Celebrations 4, because our costs are VASTLY different.

I'm not sure if its the Euro collectors beng kicked in the teeth here, or the artists. Trust me; my bills on this trip are HUGE, and we've little hope of breaking even. But we wanted to come, and be a part of the first European Star Wars Celebrations EVER. And we'll try and keep the prints as affordable as we can.

~Allison



Thanks Alison for backing us up, As you rightly pointed out the costs of this event are absolutely huge and I know everyone is trying to keep there prices as low as possible.
Its just a shame everyone thinks were all in it for the money.

Alex
Special Event Relations
The Animation Art Gallery

Jorbex
06-23-2007, 09:05 PM
It really is a shame, but the fact is that everything is quite a bit more expensive in the UK than in the US, so everyone who's going to Celebration Europe from the states should be prepared to spend a LOT more money, and that includes the prices for food, t-shirts, souvenirs, etc, etc, etc.

DarthSnuggle
06-23-2007, 09:31 PM
true enough... but i think the experience is going to be worth it!

Jorbex
06-23-2007, 09:58 PM
true enough... but i think the experience is going to be worth it!



Without a doubt, it will. After experiencing CIV, I'd love to be able to go to Europe, and it looks like the art show is going to be as good, if not better, than the one we had on this side of the Atlantic.

DarthSnuggle
06-23-2007, 10:32 PM
Thanks Alison for backing us up, As you rightly pointed out the costs of this event are absolutely huge and I know everyone is trying to keep there prices as low as possible.
Its just a shame everyone thinks were all in it for the money.

Alex
Special Event Relations
The Animation Art Gallery



thats the funny thing; people think we are making our millions in this convention gig. The truth is, if we were in it for the money, I'd have Adam stay home and do sketches to put on ebay. At shows we ask $200 US; on ebay they are fetching $1200 US. So we certainly aren't doing it for the money. We do this for the fans, and because sometimes its fun for us too. I just wish people would stop thinking the worst of us, like we are money hungry and don't care about the fans, or the property. Adam and I LOVE Star Wars, being a part of this is so special to us... So much so that we are willing to lose money on the venture. Its not about the money!!!!

DarthSnuggle
06-23-2007, 10:32 PM
Thanks Alison for backing us up, As you rightly pointed out the costs of this event are absolutely huge and I know everyone is trying to keep there prices as low as possible.
Its just a shame everyone thinks were all in it for the money.

Alex
Special Event Relations
The Animation Art Gallery



thats the funny thing; people think we are making our millions in this convention gig. The truth is, if we were in it for the money, I'd have Adam stay home and do sketches to put on ebay. At shows we ask $200 US; on ebay they are fetching $1200 US. So we certainly aren't doing it for the money. We do this for the fans, and because sometimes its fun for us too. I just wish people would stop thinking the worst of us, like we are money hungry and don't care about the fans, or the property. Adam and I LOVE Star Wars, being a part of this is so special to us... So much so that we are willing to lose money on the venture. Its not about the money!!!!

mattman81
06-24-2007, 06:24 AM
Well on behalf of all the artists, I'd like to give you a HUGE thank you for making the trip to CE and an even bigger thanks for producing some CE exclusives for us. I've decided not to get any autographs or figures now and concentrate just on the prints and sketches.

I know only too well the pitfalls of being an artist, so I can really sympathize with the financial aspects of it all but I also know exactly what you mean about doing it for the love of it and for the fans. I do find the most rewarding part being able to engage the public about your work, and so once again thanks for making it to CE http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
And don't forget to visit the fanart exhibition too, lol.

jeditronzo
06-24-2007, 08:49 AM
I had the chance to meet Allison and Adam at the Pittsburgh Comiccon back in April, and I must say that we had a twenty minute conversation that was awesome. The artists alleys are always my favorites at different conventions.

I must say that the funny thing about all the artists that I meet is that they have all been SW fans, which I thought was even cooler!

SirTristram
06-24-2007, 09:46 AM
It feels so strange to me that at this point...I feel as though the highlight of the entire celebration is the Artists Gallery and meeting them!

DarthSnuggle
06-24-2007, 09:58 AM
It feels so strange to me that at this point...I feel as though the highlight of the entire celebration is the Artists Gallery and meeting them!



perhaps its because there are so many events at this point, and meeting actors or buying collectibles has become a little more common-place? Of course, thats not the case with the Celebrations exclusives! But perhaps meeting the artists has become the "rare" part of the event? I don't know... Adam and I do so many, its not hard to track us down...

JoeRhyno
06-24-2007, 10:41 AM
I agree, and the "artist alley" seemed a little more personal, you could sit there and chat it up for a while, where as the actors signing was sometimes a bit rushed.

artuk
06-24-2007, 12:59 PM
Thanks for clearing that up artuk, it's nice to kick-out the rumours once and for all and for people not to rely on what their neighbour's best friend's sister's dog has said.

May I ask if you're the ones that have been bringing in these LFL licensed artists for CE?? If so you've done a stella job because the artist guest list is amazing. Thanks very much http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

And there will be a small fanart exhibition in the fanclub lounge area if you'd like to pop along and see what us amateurs have been up to. Would be good to have a chat http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks all of us at the gallery are really pleased with the line up and its really good to hear something positive for once. Russell and I will definately try to pop along and have a look thanks for the invite.

mattman81
06-25-2007, 10:24 AM
Thanks artuk, that would be much appreciated and no problems about being able to spread some positivity http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Not sure if you'll know the answer to this, but can we pre-order any of the exclusive prints and if we pay on the day, can we do show via credit/debit cards??

Thanks for any help http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

SirTristram
06-25-2007, 11:19 AM
Yeah, I wish we could pre-order them and pay in USD$ now and pick it up there! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Jorbex
06-25-2007, 11:40 AM
That would be neat, in CIV I spent more than an hour on line to pay for my prints http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

mattman81
06-25-2007, 04:34 PM
d-oh, I just realised part of my previous post made no sense. What I meant, in clearer English, is can we pay for prints using credit/debit cards during the show, whether paying the full amount or settling the bill if we can pre-order with a deposit.

DarthSnuggle
06-28-2007, 11:24 AM
ok... it took a while to get the shipping estimate (plus fuel surcharge ~sheesh!), the printing costs and to figure in the cost of airfare, hotel, food, all at inflated "summer holiday in England" rates.... and the VAT , the licensing % and the table costs....

But I've got prices. You people will probably hate me.

Lucasfilm, unfortunately, had the right idea in suggesting we simply take our US dollar amount, and switch the dollar sign for the pounds one. I could have saved myself alot of time doing all that math; the results were identical.

Adam's print will be 75 pounds. My prints will be 30 pounds.

And? Before the complaints begin.... if I sell out my entire edition at 30 pounds? I will break even. If I want to bring home some money, I better get some sketching done!!!!!

Allison

gatodama
06-28-2007, 12:53 PM
i am in the same boat as Allison..symbol swapping..

My print will be 50 pounds and is 18" x 24"

jediknight49
06-28-2007, 03:49 PM
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SirTristram
06-28-2007, 11:09 PM
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Yeah.

Jeez....$150 for Adam's print....Well, I mihgt as well buy them from ebay. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

SirTristram
06-28-2007, 11:29 PM
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Yeah.

Jeez....$150 for Adam's print....Well, I mihgt as well buy them from ebay. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif



I take that back....I just saw what Adam and Dave Dorman's prints are going for....Forget it. I need to pay off some credit cards instead! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

DarthSnuggle
06-28-2007, 11:52 PM
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Yeah.

Jeez....$150 for Adam's print....Well, I mihgt as well buy them from ebay. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif



you could try... but they are selling on ebay for between $380 and $400 right now. $150 is still a bargain and a re-sellers dream. In fact? I just received an email from a gallery that is willing to pay for 10 of them to re-sell at San Diego.

Adam's piece is oversized; it's 18 by 39 inches. The price to print, and ship them is also oversized. As is our airfare and hotel costs. And a big part of our pricing? VAT, baby. 17% VAT plus 13% licensing to Lucasfilm equals a THIRTY PERCENT LOSS.

So lets do airfare for Adam and his lovely mathmatician/assistant/girlfriend at $3500, shuttle service from airport to hotel at $250 (highway ******ned robbery.)and then back to the airport at the end of it all. Hotel is $220 a night ( its only $200 a night o stay at a 4 star hotel in Times Square in NYC, and this is only the fricken Docklands!!!) for 7 nights... that's $1540. Fed Ex wants (less thier "fuel surcharge") $350 to ship them over.

So before we even touch the cost of printing itself? We are at almost $6000 to just get there.

Now; we charge 75 pounds a print; multiply that by the edition of 250, and you get 18,750 pounds. thats $37,500 in US dollars. Sounds sweet, right? Now deduct that 30% we talked about in the begining. We are down to $26,250. You are thinking, "that still sounds pretty good". So deduct out the nearly $6000 in costs I outlined above, remembering that it doesn't cover food or the cost of taxis or train fare while there. So now we are down to $20,000, from almost $38,000. Oh, and you can deduct the cost of "lost business time" for being out of the studio, which is also "lost art sales". And all the long distance overseas phone calls I've had to make to straighten out all the hubbub of this darned event. And lastly? The cost of actually printing the damned things.

There's a reason we are charging 75 pounds, and it isn't greed. Feel free to not buy it from us, and buy it from Ebay instead.

All this math makes my head spin; where the HELL is my margarita.....

mattman81
06-29-2007, 03:33 AM
When all the costs are taking into consideration, I think the pricing is very fair and if anyone here regularly goes to art galleries and sees how much limited prints cost from established illustrators/artists, these prices are very well priced. And to put it into perspective, I'm getting a piece of artwork printed onto A2 and that's going to cost me 15 and that's for something I've done myself, lol.

And I'm pleased the cost breakdowns have been explained so people can understand and appreciate the situation http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

$250 for the shuttle service!! :O
Public transport is an option. Takes a bit longer and more hassle, but it's at the fraction of the cost. If you need any info/help, let us know.

Abstractharmony
06-29-2007, 03:48 AM
Allison,

Don't feel as though you have to justify the pricing to people. Anyone complaining about paying these prices for the darned fine art that all of the artists have produced for this event are, quite simply, insane.

As I said on Freaks, the cost of living in the UK is MUCH higher than in the US so a lot of UK based scummers are not in the least surprised at the cost of these prints.

It's all good and only two weeks away.


$250.00 for a transfer? That's a lot of cash. A taxi would only be about 20-30. The tube would be about 6.00 each way. The train about 10.00. A bit of a pain but you'd save a bundle of cash.

DarthSnuggle
06-29-2007, 09:25 AM
well; I've looked through my "London for Dummies" book, and its got cabs and shuttles priced out in there. I've got to get myself and Adam from Gatwick to the Docklands, and with all our luggage, the train simply isn't an option. I've contracted a handful of our professional friends in London, and some fans we know, and have asked them for thier help in the matter. Perhaps one of them can suggest a less expensive cab or car service.

Abstractharmony
06-29-2007, 09:38 AM
I'll have a chat with a few of my London friends and see if I can get someone to pick you up from the airport.

Will PM you if any joy.

DarthSnuggle
06-29-2007, 09:47 AM
appreciated; just one problem. I've ridden in these very small (and fuel economic) cars that fill London. We won't be able to get all our luggage and ourselves into one. So we need a larger styled car... which limits our own "freinds picking us up" options.

SirTristram
06-29-2007, 12:20 PM
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Yeah.

Jeez....$150 for Adam's print....Well, I mihgt as well buy them from ebay. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif



you could try... but they are selling on ebay for between $380 and $400 right now. $150 is still a bargain and a re-sellers dream. In fact? I just received an email from a gallery that is willing to pay for 10 of them to re-sell at San Diego.





That's why I posted again after I said that (And beat you to a retort by 23 minutes)...I checked ebay. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I may suck it up and by them...Since the Autoghraph Hall is looking like a bust! I would rather have a beautiful art print to look at than a bunch of signatures of people that I didn't even know were in/involved with the films! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

redxavier
06-29-2007, 12:57 PM
Allison - why have the printing run in the US and ship it over? Wouldn't it be more cost effective and manageable just to organise printing locally?


And also, a word of warning - Royal Mail workers have gone on strike so there will be delays for delivery of mail all next week, and possibly longer if it isn't resolved quickly.

IrishJedi
06-29-2007, 02:54 PM
Allison - why have the printing run in the US and ship it over? Wouldn't it be more cost effective and manageable just to organise printing locally?



Allison, Adam and others use a local printer here in the Atlanta area that they know and trust. It also allows them to view proofs of the prints in person to ensure the best possible quality of the prints and that they are true to color.

I doubt that any cost savings (if there would indeed be any at all) by using a UK-based printer would be worth the risk of the final prints not being up to specs.

Of course, that's jusy my opinion. I'll let Allison and the others speak for themselves. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

DarthSnuggle
06-29-2007, 03:19 PM
Allison - why have the printing run in the US and ship it over? Wouldn't it be more cost effective and manageable just to organise printing locally?



Allison, Adam and others use a local printer here in the Atlanta area that they know and trust. It also allows them to view proofs of the prints in person to ensure the best possible quality of the prints and that they are true to color.

I doubt that any cost savings (if there would indeed be any at all) by using a UK-based printer would be worth the risk of the final prints not being up to specs.

Of course, that's jusy my opinion. I'll let Allison and the others speak for themselves. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



that's EXACTLY why we use our Atlanta based printer. I like to be on-press when the prints run, so I can ask for color adjustments, and make sure the prints are as close to perfect as we can get them. Also? If stuff in the UK is as expensive as I keep seeing? I don't know that it would have been a saving to have them printed there.....

DarthSnuggle
06-29-2007, 03:20 PM
http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Yeah.

Jeez....$150 for Adam's print....Well, I mihgt as well buy them from ebay. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif



you could try... but they are selling on ebay for between $380 and $400 right now. $150 is still a bargain and a re-sellers dream. In fact? I just received an email from a gallery that is willing to pay for 10 of them to re-sell at San Diego.





That's why I posted again after I said that (And beat you to a retort by 23 minutes)...I checked ebay. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I may suck it up and by them...Since the Autoghraph Hall is looking like a bust! I would rather have a beautiful art print to look at than a bunch of signatures of people that I didn't even know were in/involved with the films! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



yeah; i saw your first post, composed my reply, which required all sorts of math and price checking, and by the time I had it all figured and written and posted, you'd posted a second time.

jediknight49
06-29-2007, 04:10 PM
I work for a print company. To print 300 of Alisons design would be approx 620 (Approx $1200) http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/ooo.gif I know because i costed this for another CIV / CE artist who is attending.

Certainly not cheaper to print in the UK

As it works out, the artist was able to get the print done in the US and keep the cost of the CE print to probably the lowest i've seen of any of the CE prints currently listed and priced.

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redxavier
06-29-2007, 05:24 PM
I quite understand the preference for going with someone you know rather than the 'unknown quantity', it was just a suggestion to avoid the whopping cost of shipping them across the Atlantic. I'm assuming that it's less than $1000 to do 300 copies in the US, otherwise that $350 would pretty much break it even with a local run (in terms of money).

I've got to say, I'm a little shocked that LFL aren't helping (quite the opposite it seems).

DarthSnuggle
06-29-2007, 06:20 PM
I quite understand the preference for going with someone you know rather than the 'unknown quantity', it was just a suggestion to avoid the whopping cost of shipping them across the Atlantic. I'm assuming that it's less than $1000 to do 300 copies in the US, otherwise that $350 would pretty much break it even with a local run (in terms of money).

I've got to say, I'm a little shocked that LFL aren't helping (quite the opposite it seems).



are you suggesting its less than a $1000 to print the 300 piece edition? Its actually considerably more. And while LFL isn't "helping" in terms of housing us or flying us out, you must remember: the show isn't mandatory. We chose to do it. And while they may not be helping out in that fashion; they have been very helpful in other ways. I can't complain about Lucasfilm one tiny bit; they have been wonderful to both Adam and myself.

DarthSnuggle
06-29-2007, 06:36 PM
I work for a print company. To print 300 of Alisons design would be approx 620 (Approx $1200) http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/ooo.gif I know because i costed this for another CIV / CE artist who is attending.

Certainly not cheaper to print in the UK

As it works out, the artist was able to get the print done in the US and keep the cost of the CE print to probably the lowest i've seen of any of the CE prints currently listed and priced.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif



mine cost quite alot more than that, but I'm told I went with very expensive paper.... we felt it was worth making these as nice as possible. I mean, how often does the chance to do limited edition prints of Star Wars characters come along?!?

DarthSnuggle
06-29-2007, 06:48 PM
i should also add that the unusual size of Adam's piece required that we deal with certain printing presses. We have a less expensive printer that we use for sketchbooks and they simply couldn't do that size we wanted.

artuk
06-29-2007, 07:36 PM
We at the Animation Art Gallery are doing an additional Ralph McQuarrie print only available from us at the incredibly cheap price of 45. Which is an indication of how much we our listening to you guys.

I had a guy call today wanting 25 and wanted a discount. Just so he could put them on ebay and get like 150 + after the show.

Needless to say we said no besides we don't even have 25 of our reserve list of 50 left.

Alex
Special Event Relations
The Animation Art Gallery

SirTristram
06-29-2007, 11:15 PM
We at the Animation Art Gallery are doing an additional Ralph McQuarrie print only available from us at the incredibly cheap price of 45. Which is an indication of how much we our listening to you guys.

I had a guy call today wanting 25 and wanted a discount. Just so he could put them on ebay and get like 150 + after the show.

Needless to say we said no besides we don't even have 25 of our reserve list of 50 left.

Alex
Special Event Relations
The Animation Art Gallery



I got my reserve order in for the McQuarrie print! I paid the depost via Paypal, but it doesn't show up in my order history on the site! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

redxavier
06-30-2007, 06:06 AM
are you suggesting its less than a $1000 to print the 300 piece edition? Its actually considerably more.



Allison, it seems you're getting quite defensive here. I only mentioned that price in response to jediknight49's approximate quote above. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that there are ways of cutting down your costs if you really wanted to. You've said that the higher cost of printing in the US is worth it, and that's fine.



And while LFL isn't "helping" in terms of housing us or flying us out, you must remember: the show isn't mandatory. We chose to do it. And while they may not be helping out in that fashion; they have been very helpful in other ways. I can't complain about Lucasfilm one tiny bit; they have been wonderful to both Adam and myself.



I merely say that as LFL, and other organisers and beneficaries of the event, are the ones profitting from your presence at the show, it surprises me that they aren't footing the bill for any of your costs (like flights, hotel and printing). It seems that you and Adam are essentially like any other attendees, paying your own way there and back.

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm very glad you're both coming and am immensely looking forward to meeting you both. The Art Show is definitely one of the primary draws to this event. Perhaps that's why I would like to see you more rewarded for choosing to come, rather than further gouged by having to pay LFL a cut from what little profits you do make.

Has it always been that way for Celebrations and other conventions?

DarthSnuggle
06-30-2007, 10:23 AM
are you suggesting its less than a $1000 to print the 300 piece edition? Its actually considerably more.



Allison, it seems you're getting quite defensive here. I only mentioned that price in response to jediknight49's approximate quote above. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that there are ways of cutting down your costs if you really wanted to. You've said that the higher cost of printing in the US is worth it, and that's fine.



I don't mean to sound defensive; I just want to make sure that folks are clear on why things cost what they do, since some people have expressed that they don't understand. Its true; we could have offered lesser expensive prints with lower quality printing. We just didn't feel it would do justice to the artwork, or the event. I mean, It's Star Wars' 30th anniversary, we want to over fine art prints, not limited edition posters.





And while LFL isn't "helping" in terms of housing us or flying us out, you must remember: the show isn't mandatory. We chose to do it. And while they may not be helping out in that fashion; they have been very helpful in other ways. I can't complain about Lucasfilm one tiny bit; they have been wonderful to both Adam and myself.



I merely say that as LFL, and other organisers and beneficaries of the event, are the ones profitting from your presence at the show, it surprises me that they aren't footing the bill for any of your costs (like flights, hotel and printing). It seems that you and Adam are essentially like any other attendees, paying your own way there and back.



But thats no different than most conventions. Artists often pay thier own way, pay for thier hotels, pay for thier tables. We compare this show to San Diego Comic Con: with the exception of this year, where Adam is an invited guest, we pay for everything. Heck; our booth cost there is nearly $2000. But once again, we think its worth it to be involved in the industry's largest comic show in the US. Trsut me, when these events stop being "worth it"; either from a financial stand point, or a publicity one, or even on a level of personal fun and satisfaction? We won't do them.



Please don't misunderstand me, I'm very glad you're both coming and am immensely looking forward to meeting you both. The Art Show is definitely one of the primary draws to this event. Perhaps that's why I would like to see you more rewarded for choosing to come, rather than further gouged by having to pay LFL a cut from what little profits you do make.



here's the deal on us having to pay LF a percentage.... truthfully its a pretty generous situation. If we were to try and buy a license to do authorized Lucasfilm art prints, we'd spend the rest of our days in the poor house. I have a friend that bought a license to do prints for a FAR less recognized property, and that set him back $10,000. I don't even want to know what a Star Wars one would cost. So 13% is practically giving it away. And the option of doing unlicensed prints isn't even an option; we'd have lawyers on us for copyright infringement within moments of making it available to the public. No, we are content with the arrangements with Lucasfilm; and as I said in an earlier post: No one is making us come. If we felt it wasn't worth the financial costs, we have the option of staying home. The only reason I bring up the costs at all is because we were being questioned on what some seemed to feel were unreasonable prices for the prints, and I wnated to explain the process we go through in determining those prices.



Has it always been that way for Celebrations and other conventions?



I believe Celebrations has only had an artists show since the second one; we've only been involved since Celebrations 3; and that was done exactly as Celebrations 4 was. At most conventions, you pay for tables, and your own airfare (or you drive in) and hotel. As you develope a bigger name in the industry, and conventions see having you as a guest to be a big draw for fans; they will begin to offer to cover your expenses. Right now, San Diego Comic Con International is the ONLY Show Adam and I do where we pay for everything (and Star Wars Celebrations). Otherwise, I fill our convention schedule (usually 10 - 15 events a year) with shows that pay for the both of us to attend. But Adam is at the top of the comics professional food chain right now, and that not a typical situation.

Jorbex
06-30-2007, 10:31 AM
Well said, Allison. I totally agree with you, the art prints are luxury items and their quality should reflect that. If someone's not willing to pay the price of quality, they should abstain from buying them, simple as that.

SirTristram
06-30-2007, 11:43 AM
Well said, Allison. I totally agree with you, the art prints are luxury items and their quality should reflect that. If someone's not willing to pay the price of quality, they should abstain from buying them, simple as that.



I understand with the justification for the price increase, but I think some people, myself included, are just annoyed that we will have to pay double the price for certain prints that people in LA did not! That's all.

Of course these are quality art pieces. That is why there is so much enthusisam about them! If they we just posters we could al wait until they landed on allposters.com or somewhere! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DarthSnuggle
06-30-2007, 12:02 PM
Well said, Allison. I totally agree with you, the art prints are luxury items and their quality should reflect that. If someone's not willing to pay the price of quality, they should abstain from buying them, simple as that.



I understand with the justification for the price increase, but I think some people, myself included, are just annoyed that we will have to pay double the price for certain prints that people in LA did not! That's all.

Of course these are quality art pieces. That is why there is so much enthusisam about them! If they we just posters we could al wait until they landed on allposters.com or somewhere! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



well... unfortuantely, it can't be helped. If Lucasfilm HAD paid for us all to come out, and we could offer our prints for less, then the admission ticket price would have been higher, to account for the extra cost on Lucasfilm's end. One way or another, the fans would have had to pay a bit more for this being in England.

SirTristram
06-30-2007, 12:34 PM
Well said, Allison. I totally agree with you, the art prints are luxury items and their quality should reflect that. If someone's not willing to pay the price of quality, they should abstain from buying them, simple as that.



I understand with the justification for the price increase, but I think some people, myself included, are just annoyed that we will have to pay double the price for certain prints that people in LA did not! That's all.

Of course these are quality art pieces. That is why there is so much enthusisam about them! If they we just posters we could al wait until they landed on allposters.com or somewhere! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



well... unfortuantely, it can't be helped. If Lucasfilm HAD paid for us all to come out, and we could offer our prints for less, then the admission ticket price would have been higher, to account for the extra cost on Lucasfilm's end. One way or another, the fans would have had to pay a bit more for this being in England.



I know and I understand the reason for the price changes, as I said. I was only responding to Jorbex saying that people just simply 'abstain' from buying the prints if we didn't like the price increase.
People are allowed to be rattled by circumstances such as these....clearly.
...and this is a forum, thus to comment on such things...that is all we're doing. I have not heard anyone really kick and scream yet! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DarthSnuggle
06-30-2007, 12:55 PM
People are allowed to be rattled by circumstances such as these....clearly.
...and this is a forum, thus to comment on such things...that is all we're doing. I have not heard anyone really kick and scream yet! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Oh I'm with you. And trust me; I'm also rattled by how much money we're bleeding out on this trip! But I think it will all be worth the fuss!!!!!

SirTristram
06-30-2007, 11:28 PM
People are allowed to be rattled by circumstances such as these....clearly.
...and this is a forum, thus to comment on such things...that is all we're doing. I have not heard anyone really kick and scream yet! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Oh I'm with you. And trust me; I'm also rattled by how much money we're bleeding out on this trip! But I think it will all be worth the fuss!!!!!



I think so too!
But now I have to also contend with my family having a freak out over the recent bombings! Any Londoners hear anything on the attacks? Ramped up security, etc...

emotionalvampire
07-01-2007, 01:53 AM
There hasnt actually been any bombings as yet. The police have managed to find and stop the car bombs from going off. There was the incident yesterday at Glasgow Airport, where someone drove their, on fire, car into the airport, but that didnt have any explosives in it.

MI5 have raised the threat level to Critical, which is the highest level in the UK. This means an attack is expected soon.

If I was you, keep an eye on BAA (HTTP://WWW.BAA.COM) (British Airport Authority) webpage. You can check out if there is any change for airports at the moment, for example if you go to Heathrow, it shows you the news for that airport.

Obi_Phantom_Jedi
07-01-2007, 04:31 AM
There hasnt actually been any bombings as yet. The police have managed to find and stop the car bombs from going off. There was the incident yesterday at Glasgow Airport, where someone drove their, on fire, car into the airport, but that didnt have any explosives in it.

MI5 have raised the threat level to Critical, which is the highest level in the UK. This means an attack is expected soon.

If I was you, keep an eye on BAA (HTTP://WWW.BAA.COM) (British Airport Authority) webpage. You can check out if there is any change for airports at the moment, for example if you go to Heathrow, it shows you the news for that airport.



It's like we have CNN on this very thread! lol

SirTristram
07-01-2007, 11:13 AM
There hasnt actually been any bombings as yet. The police have managed to find and stop the car bombs from going off. There was the incident yesterday at Glasgow Airport, where someone drove their, on fire, car into the airport, but that didnt have any explosives in it.

MI5 have raised the threat level to Critical, which is the highest level in the UK. This means an attack is expected soon.

If I was you, keep an eye on BAA (HTTP://WWW.BAA.COM) (British Airport Authority) webpage. You can check out if there is any change for airports at the moment, for example if you go to Heathrow, it shows you the news for that airport.



Thank you!

Yodashe5
07-01-2007, 09:20 PM
Can anyone buy a R McQuarrie print from you http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif(1)