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GNT
07-29-2017, 08:11 PM
New first order Stormtooper toy picture is up here - http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/4908/sw247.jpg

Deak_Starkiller
07-29-2017, 11:58 PM
They could've tried something a bit new with a pre-posed two handed grip for the rifle at least...the only scene I can reproduce from this figure is the Daniel Craig trooper about to drop his weapon.

DarthPete
07-30-2017, 07:28 AM
Those elbows almost look like there could be a joint there... And actually, the right hand if you look closely, looks like the palm is facing down, that'd be an odd choice for 5POA. It makes me wonder if there might be a swivel joint there, Hasbro did say certain figures would have more articulation.

Maverick10126
07-30-2017, 01:59 PM
If there are elbow joints I'll pick some up and dump my old ones. Otherwise no thank you.

I do appreciate the armor being the same. Makes it easier to collect as I don't need all of the figs.

DJ121
07-30-2017, 02:15 PM
Those elbows almost look like there could be a joint there... And actually, the right hand if you look closely, looks like the palm is facing down, that'd be an odd choice for 5POA. It makes me wonder if there might be a swivel joint there, Hasbro did say certain figures would have more articulation.

That would be nice. I know they said that, but I'm not holding my breath. Especially now that there is yet another useless "gimmick" instead of just using the budget to give every figure 8-10 points. I have a feeling this is going to go over about as well as ComTech.

DarkManX
07-30-2017, 03:29 PM
That would be nice. I know they said that, but I'm not holding my breath. Especially now that there is yet another useless "gimmick" instead of just using the budget to give every figure 8-10 points. I have a feeling this is going to go over about as well as ComTech.

supposedly the chips in the figures are really cheap to make, so I'm not sure how much difference it would make budget-wise.

lordtyrannus
07-30-2017, 04:18 PM
Something strange is going on with this figure's face, like the snout/"nose" is too pointy or something. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170730/09f319024468390a762eb1cff9813bcf.png


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DarkManX
07-30-2017, 04:21 PM
Something strange is going on with this figure's face, like the snout/"nose" is too pointy or something. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170730/09f319024468390a762eb1cff9813bcf.png


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Not seeing any difference between the figure and the card art.

lordtyrannus
07-30-2017, 04:26 PM
Not seeing any difference between the figure and the card art.

Here's the helmet beside the figure. It's definitely off unfortunately. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170730/f7dc10a00e359b50897e14c350353a92.jpeg


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DarkManX
07-30-2017, 04:33 PM
I'm comparing it to the card art, which has the pointy helmet. The figure is different from the helmet you're showing though.

Rocket_Back
07-30-2017, 06:00 PM
Tell me that's not a return of the dreaded yellowing torsos...

lordtyrannus
07-30-2017, 06:27 PM
Tell me that's not a return of the dreaded yellowing torsos...

It looks more like the torso is a different plastic than the arms/legs, and thus a slightly different shade of white.

I'm with you though--- there is NOTHING about modern figures that bothers me more than yellowing torsos and greening helmets.


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MyenShi
07-30-2017, 06:41 PM
Here's the helmet beside the figure. It's definitely off unfortunately.

The Stormtrooper design has been changed slightly from TFA to TLJ. The overall shaping is a little different, including a nose bridge area that looks more pinched and a thinner slit above the mouth.

Hence the changes to the figure.

lordtyrannus
07-30-2017, 06:45 PM
The Stormtrooper design has been changed slightly from TFA to TLJ. The overall shaping is a little different, including a nose bridge area that looks more pinched and a thinner slit above the mouth.

Hence the changes to the figure.

That's interesting! I didn't realize that. Thanks :) !


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sfx_5k
07-30-2017, 06:55 PM
Perhaps the troopers have a slightly different helmet this time. With a more pronounced and pointy ridge in the nose area.

sfx_5k
07-30-2017, 06:58 PM
...and that's what I get for replying to a page 1 question before reading the answer posted by someone else on page 2. Sorry

Deak_Starkiller
07-30-2017, 10:22 PM
The angles of the mouthpiece and the helmet chin look just about equal in the card art, but the angles are noticeably different in the figure, especially the mouthpiece which looks way sharper. The eye lenses in the card art look to be more bubbled out too.

DarkArtist
07-31-2017, 08:19 AM
on the fence with this one. as much as I like building Stormtrooper armies I may hold off on building this version until I can compare the TFA version to TLJ version

DarthPete
07-31-2017, 03:24 PM
Looking at the clearer pics of this guy on ebay, my earlier observations were incorrect apparently.

bigbarada
07-31-2017, 04:20 PM
Yeah, they definitely tweaked the Stormtrooper helmet design for TLJ slightly:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GC4crIzdy_4/WKTs60he3MI/AAAAAAAAMYA/KCRIoyPqsLIBvJO5Yjel1MLT8GiJO9QbQCLcB/s1600/tumblr_olfuyw8IYm1qzsjdko1_1280.jpg

I actually like the new design better. The frown is narrower and feels more angular. Plus the entire helmet feels longer and doesn't look as much like a motorcycle helmet as the TFA version did.

Now, I'm just hoping that this figure won't suffer from the same problems as the TFA FO Stormtrooper, with the weirdly wide leg stance and dull plastic. I bought one on Force Friday 2015 and was instantly disappointed with it when I took it out of the package, so I never bought another one.

DontDissTheFett
07-31-2017, 09:20 PM
They definitely tweaked the helmet design for the new movie, not much different than the subtle changes the OT troopers underwent through each movie. I personally like the frown change because it seems more like a direct lineage from the OT. That is one thing that always bothered me about the EpVII design. The change creates the a more menacing appearance, much like the OT troopers


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bigbarada
08-01-2017, 03:55 AM
They definitely tweaked the helmet design for the new movie, not much different than the subtle changes the OT troopers underwent through each movie. I personally like the frown change because it seems more like a direct lineage from the OT. That is one thing that always bothered me about the EpVII design. The change creates the a more menacing appearance, much like the OT troopers


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I think the switch from the ANH/ESB helmets to the ROTJ helmets was a much more extreme change than this.

The TFA Stormtrooper helmet feels more like it was designed as a product with the intention of being sold, with all of its soft and fat lines, rather than a helmet designed for intimidation purposes (which is the whole point of Stormtrooper armor, since it never really functions as armor in the films). So I definitely like the new design better.

Rocket_Back
08-01-2017, 12:45 PM
Are there any good side-by-sides of the helmet differences? Maybe I'm just bad on picking up subtleties, but I'm not seeing the difference even when I look at pictures of both.

Glitch
08-01-2017, 01:16 PM
It looks more like the torso is a different plastic than the arms/legs, and thus a slightly different shade of white.

I'm with you though--- there is NOTHING about modern figures that bothers me more than yellowing torsos and greening helmets.

Agree 100%

Cyko_Droid
08-08-2017, 09:38 AM
I appreciate the subtle change for not other reason than my existing FO Stormtroopers aren't instantly obsolete! On the new helmet, the nose area seems really long and blank, but as troopers go, I'm sure it'll look fine on screen.

Deak_Starkiller
08-08-2017, 09:43 AM
It remains to be seen if the Visual Dictionary will call out those changes (subtle or otherwise) to give some in-universe reason. Probably just time for an upgrade after 30 some odd years.

Masterfett
08-08-2017, 07:02 PM
Yeah, they definitely tweaked the Stormtrooper helmet design for TLJ slightly
Unfortunately not enough for me. I hope for EP9 they pull a ROTS for the design, and change it more drastically.

Remove all traces of the duck.

Bosski
08-08-2017, 08:51 PM
TLJ supposedly takes place immediately after TFA....soooooooo....the First Order needed to quickly manufacture updated FO trooper helmet designs?! LMFAO! Hahahahahahaha!!

DarkManX
08-08-2017, 08:59 PM
TLJ supposedly takes place immediately after TFA....soooooooo....the First Order needed to quickly manufacture updated FO trooper helmet designs?! LMFAO! Hahahahahahaha!!

Could have already had the helmets in production.

lordtyrannus
08-09-2017, 01:03 PM
TLJ supposedly takes place immediately after TFA....soooooooo....the First Order needed to quickly manufacture updated FO trooper helmet designs?! LMFAO! Hahahahahahaha!!

Yes, Snoke actually said to Hux, "Bring Kylo Ren. It's time to complete his training. And then tell the armory to make the Troops' frowns sharper and more narrow on the nose."


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Maverick10126
08-09-2017, 01:24 PM
Yes, Snoke actually said to Hux, "Bring Kylo Ren. It's time to complete his training. And then tell the armory to make the Troops' frowns sharper and more narrow on the nose."


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At the time the line really took me out of the moment....but now....wow, what foresight!

lordtyrannus
08-14-2017, 11:16 AM
Based on the YouTube review from First Order Transmissions, this guy has a high-gloss finish like the RO Stormtrooper, as well as painted black details omitted from the TFA Stormtrooper figure, so there are some definite upgrades on this one.


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activistfangirl
08-16-2017, 12:56 PM
http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/fullsizeoutput_401b.jpeg

Kylash327
09-01-2017, 09:44 AM
Really not a fan of the bend leg stance on this guy, wish he could stand more straight.

Vorax
09-01-2017, 01:18 PM
I grabbed 5, whatever I saw at TRU and Target. Walmart's I went to did not appear to get any of the new 3.75's in stock. I will covert some BS TFA Stormtroopers with the new heads.

Rocket_Back
09-01-2017, 03:06 PM
Post some pics! Curious how that'll look...

Kylash327
09-01-2017, 03:16 PM
Worth noting that its really hard to find these figures with clean helmet paint. The nose ridges on almost all I saw had a little spike overspray right at the top of the nose.

Vorax
09-01-2017, 05:50 PM
Its a bigger helmet/head than the BS or TFA 5poa versions, some movement is hindered on the BS buck, like the ability to look up. But works great regardless. The TLJ helmet appears wholly remodeled as its less "squat" and "squishy" than the TFA release. The sharpened mouth" also helps a lot in making the FO Stormtrooper appear less goofy looking imo. Small cosmetic differences but noticeable.

http://i.imgur.com/SstdM7l.png

Deak_Starkiller
09-01-2017, 09:08 PM
The new helmets also sport the slotted mouth from the classic stormtrooper helmet I've noticed.

Vorax
09-02-2017, 08:22 AM
Yes that is true too, but the speaker grill effect is smaller than on the old Imperial Stormtrooper.

Deak_Starkiller
09-02-2017, 04:35 PM
You'd think it was the other way around, but I'm thinking the retro modification is probably a shock factor now the political landscape has change with the destruction of the New Republic seat of control.

CptEks
09-03-2017, 01:36 PM
Do you think there will be an in universe explanation as to why the helmet changed?

Or was it simply updated by RJ and Lucasfilm to make it look less goofy / duck-like?

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Maverick10126
09-03-2017, 04:20 PM
Probably just the typical costume update like the stormtrooper helmet and Vader updates in the OT. It's pretty common in a movie series to make tweaks that most people won't notice.

Vorax
09-03-2017, 04:29 PM
Yeah, I guess the TFA helmet was already an older design.

Maverick10126
09-03-2017, 04:33 PM
Has there ever been a movie series where the costume that was meant to be the same wasn't tweaked from movie to movie?

Even Indiana Jones hat changed in all the movies.

R1G4R3PO
09-03-2017, 04:47 PM
Has there ever been a movie series where the costume that was meant to be the same wasn't tweaked from movie to movie?

Even Indiana Jones hat changed in all the movies.

Not sure, but what about Superman (Chistopher Reeve) series?

R1G4R3PO
09-03-2017, 04:51 PM
And Batman (Adam West) TV/movies.

Maverick10126
09-03-2017, 04:52 PM
Not sure, but what about Superman (Chistopher Reeve) series?

You might have something there, especially since 1 and 2 were filmed mostly at the same time...at least before donner was fired. If I remember correctly.

darth_sidious
09-04-2017, 02:59 PM
Has anyone taken a comparison photo with a TFA trooper yet? I skipped this one because the change looks insignificant from what I can tell, and I'm a bit tired of troops after the TFA run.

Vorax
09-04-2017, 06:17 PM
I had gotten like 10 of them so far for converting the older BS figures with this head.

DarkArtist
09-05-2017, 08:35 AM
I only bought 1 so far everyone... lol. I figure I'll wait awhile and give everyone a chance to snag him before I go on the hunt and troop build. I'm trying to stay away from "Stormtroopers Anonymous" :P

Kal_El
09-05-2017, 08:44 AM
Has anyone taken a comparison photo with a TFA trooper yet? I skipped this one because the change looks insignificant from what I can tell, and I'm a bit tired of troops after the TFA run.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170905/24aa7b2397d5fe516f13aa30bb3a8bfa.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170905/146a0f05bda07a3475be5f67103b1893.jpg

These arent the best photos, but you can see a few differences. The new stormtrooper is an all new mold (I didn't realize that until I compared), it's a little taller and the details are a little more crisp. It's definitely an improvement over the TFA trooper. Personally, I love the stance on the new one.

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darth_sidious
09-05-2017, 10:26 AM
Cool, thanks for posting - the differences are always more noticeable with side-by-side comparisons.

lordtyrannus
09-05-2017, 11:32 AM
Its a bigger helmet/head than the BS or TFA 5poa versions, some movement is hindered on the BS buck, like the ability to look up. But works great regardless. The TLJ helmet appears wholly remodeled as its less "squat" and "squishy" than the TFA release. The sharpened mouth" also helps a lot in making the FO Stormtrooper appear less goofy looking imo. Small cosmetic differences but noticeable.

http://i.imgur.com/SstdM7l.png

Thanks for this pic! Did this require a mod of the head or neck post?


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Cramer
09-05-2017, 11:42 AM
i hate the knew helmet. The teeth are cool but it looks like a stretched out chinese knock off. Maybe if this design came out first I wouldn't have minded it.

DarthPete
09-05-2017, 12:17 PM
I'll have to take a closer look in hand, but I haven't really cared for it either, from what I've seen in pics anyway.

Utinniii
09-05-2017, 12:22 PM
I'm probably alone here but I miss Trooper BAW pack in. It was one of the few of them that was really cool and useful. (I'm glad they did away with BAW, BTW.)

Vorax
09-05-2017, 02:57 PM
Thanks for this pic! Did this require a mod of the head or neck post?


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No mod is necessary , it fits tightly on.